Zell Miller is a Senator from the great state of Georgia. Previously, he was Governor of the state. On Wednesday night, he stood before the delagates of the Republican National Convention, and all of America (and the world) via television, and gave one of the most impassioned speeches I have heard in some time. He clearly made the case for why we MUST re-elect President George W. Bush for a second term of office.
Here's the clincher. Zell Miller is a DEMOCRAT!
As his swan song of service to our country, Zell got the opportunity to speak to America about his disappointment and disenfranchisement from the party he has loved. He claims that it has been hijacked by the leftist extremists, and their belief system and policy is putting America, and the future of our families, in great danger.
Better than any Republican has done before, Zell made the case in an extremely compelling fashion. John Kerry's campaign has tried to disguise him as a moderate, hoping that the American people will not see him for who he really is. Hopefully more of the "undecided" voters have had an awakening due to watching this courageous man speak. Our country is at risk. Thank you Zell for speaking the truth!
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Furl It!
September 2, 2004 01:25 AM
In 2001, Zell Miller called John Kerry a great leader, an authentic hero, and a good friend.
Zell Miller of today is nothing more, and nothing less, than a bitter old man.
September 2, 2004 09:37 AM
Or maybe he couldn't sell his soul to the devil any longer. ;-)
He is what the Dems would call a DINO, Democrat in Name Only. He should have made the switch to Repub when Bush was elected.
We have PLENTY of RINOs... Arlen Spector, Olympia whats-her-puss from Maine, and the list goes on.
September 2, 2004 11:50 AM
Introduction of Senator John Kerry
Democratic Party of Georgia's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner
Thursday 01 March 2001
It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.
I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.
I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.
My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders - and a good friend.
He was once a lieutenant governor - but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.
In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.
Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.
John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."
John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 - when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.
John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.
He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.
As many of you know, I have great affection - some might say an obsession - for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know ... Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.
Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.
September 2, 2004 12:03 PM
People change. They "flip flop", but I suppose in Zell Miller's case it is a bad thing, while in John Kerry's case it is excusable. Can't have it both ways.
The point is that Zell made the Republican and conservative case for why John Kerry must NEVER be President of the United States, let alone the Rotary Club. When it comes down to it, the messenger isn't that important. The message was spot on and Zell was there to be the mouthpiece, regardless of his motives.
September 2, 2004 12:51 PM
As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far away.
Posted by jimm brown at 09.02.2004 11.43 AM
CHENEY RECORD:
96th Congress: 4 Sponsored; 0 became Law
97th Congress: 4 Sponsored: 0 became Law
98th Congress: 8 Sponsored: 0 became Law
99th Congress: 7 Sponsored: 1 became Law (H.R.1246 : A bill to establish a federally declared floodway for theColorado River below Davis Dam.)
100th Congress: 7 Sponsored: 1 became Law (H.R.712 : A bill for the relief of Lawrence K. Lunt.)
101st Congress: 1 Sponsored: 0 became Law
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=22211
Zell Miller's speech was utterly disgusting and shameless, full of flat out lies and blatant distortions of John Kerry's record on defense.
John Kerry voted FOR 16 of the 19 Pentagon spending bills while he was in office. Since 1997, Kerry voted FOR every single regular DOD appropriation bill and FOR every authorization bill. John Kerry did NOT specifically vote against the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, did NOT specifically vote against the M1-A ABRAMS tank or the Patriot Missile (he has opposed extension of our nuclear capability, including Star Wars).
Who DID oppose major conventional defense programs? DICK CHENEY.
As Secretary of Defense,
CHENEY called for the elimination of the Apache helicopter,
CHENEY called for the elimination of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle,
CHENEY called for the elimination of the M-1s
CHENEY called for the elimination of the F-14 and the F-16
CHENEY called for the elimination of the B-2 bomber (which Kerry also opposed for its nuclear capabilities).
CHENEY called for the elimination of the MX missile.
CHENEY helped cut the defense budget by $300 BILLION.
Where was Miller's rage at Cheney?
And Miller's claim that Kerry voted against body armor for our troops in Iraq is another disgusting distortion. Kerry voted FOR authorization of the $87 billion to fund our troops in Iraq, but BUSH wanted to veto that version of the bill because it would have reversed Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy to help defer the cost of the war. Kerry, quite consistently, did not approve the way Bush was handling the war, including its funding.
September 2, 2004 01:36 PM
I won't let this blog be a promotional piece for John Kerry. I've left the opinion, but deleted the propoganda.
Kerry04 still thinks Bush lied in spite of the evidence to the contrary. I call it intellectual suicide.
September 2, 2004 01:41 PM
Dear Mr. "Mayor,"
I will not be called a traitor by the likes of you or Zell Miller because of the simple fact that I didn't and still don't believe in the invasion of Iraq at this particular junction nor do I believe in the Presidency of George W. Bush.
I will not be called a terrorist like Rudolph Guiliani called me on Monday night. As a New Yorker who lived through 9/11, I know who the real terrorists are... the man's name is Osama bin Laden, and ask your precious Zell and Bush: Where is OBL?
I will not be called UnAmerican or disengenuous by my fellow Americans, because as someone who will be voting for Kerry, by calling Kerry a traitor, you call me a traitor as well, and I will NOT stand for it.
You, Mr. "Mayor" can jump at the red meat thrown out to the weak-minded adn ill-informed base of the Republican Party, but anytime people like you or Zell Miller, or Rudy Guiliani or anyone else, calls me a terrorist, anti-American or unpatriotic, you will hear from me and others like me.
Good day to you, Sir.
September 2, 2004 01:44 PM
"I won't let this blog be a promotional piece for John Kerry. I've left the opinion, but deleted the propoganda.
Kerry04 still thinks Bush lied in spite of the evidence to the contrary. I call it intellectual suicide."
You won't let your blog become "a promotional piece"? Yet you can put all sorts of lies about the record of John Kerry on here and let it go unchallenged? Who is now disengenuous, young man?
September 2, 2004 01:50 PM
AGain, your posts are laughable. You call Kerry one of the silliest phrases ever used in a political campaign without looking at the 'Flipper-like' qualities of Bush, most recently, "the war on terror is unwinnable." I've never seen a campaign scramble so hard to backtrack in my entire life.
September 2, 2004 01:51 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to hit the submit button three times in the last post. Please forgive.
Unlike most Republicans, I can admit and apologize for a mistake made.
September 2, 2004 01:57 PM
>> most recently, "the war on terror is
>> unwinnable."
You've just now demonstrated the childlike mindset of the Kerry campaign and the Democrats that support him.
If you were able to listen to what Bush said IN CONTEXT, you'll see that he wasn't changing anything. He was explaining it perfectly clear to the reasonably intelligent.
His problem was he didn't dumb it down enough so people like you could understand.
That's one of his many mistakes any reasonable, intelligent American could discern.
September 2, 2004 01:59 PM
> Unlike most Republicans, I can admit and
> apologize for a mistake made.
Yes, but like most Democrats you can't seem to apologize without also adding in some attack on someone else.
When you apologize, you should do it without any qualifiers. Typical Democrat though.
September 2, 2004 02:00 PM
Why should I listen to anything in 'context." Where is the 'context' in the Republican campaign? Every point made about the Kerry has been taken out of "context." I'm very surprised that you know what "context" is.
Dumb it down? Dumb it down? Is 'flip-flop' not dumbing it down enough? Get a life, get a grip, or get an education. Either one of those will do you well.
September 2, 2004 02:02 PM
When in the last three days of your convention you have called my party more names then the Democrats ever did at their convention, then you can suggest to me how to apologize.
September 2, 2004 03:34 PM
> Why should I listen to anything in 'context."
Because that's when you start to learn.
> Where is the 'context' in the Republican
> campaign?
Wow. So this has gone from your misunderstanding of the context of ONE thing Bush has said and turned it into the 'context' of the entire campaign? Nice attempt to deflect. More typical liberal actions.
> Every point made about the Kerry has
> been taken out of "context."
Here's a shocker for you.
I AGREE WITH YOU that a lot of what they say about Kerry is taken out of context.
Now can we get back to the point about YOU (and every other Dem or Lib) taking this ONE point out of context?
> I'm very surprised
> that you know what "context" is.
From a couple of posts on a comment section of someone's blog? Wow. You're good.
> Dumb it down? Dumb it down? Is 'flip-flop' not
> dumbing it down enough? Get a life, get a grip,
> or get an education. Either one of those will
> do you well.
Wow. And you're thinking I can't understand the context?
Either one? Either in this use is used to make a choice between TWO options. You gave me three. The correct word to use would have been 'any.'
Maybe you should get that education you accusing me of needing after all. But it was a good try anyways. Kudos for that.
> When in the last three days of your convention
> you have called my party more names then the
> Democrats ever did at their convention, then
> you can suggest to me how to apologize.
Hmm? Complete sentences giving you trouble now? That makes absolutely no sense. Ask any 2nd grade English teacher. Rewrite a coherent sentence and get back with me on this one.
September 2, 2004 04:05 PM
> Where is the 'context' in the Republican
> campaign?
"Wow. So this has gone from your misunderstanding of the context of ONE thing Bush has said and turned it into the 'context' of the entire campaign? Nice attempt to deflect. More typical liberal actions."
It's not an attempt to deflect. Time and time again the Republican campaign has taken everything Kerry has done in his career out of context, including the "I voted against it before I voted for it."
Here are other things that Bush has flippered on:
1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
And that's only a few of them.
But I suppose all of this is taken out of "context" also? Maybe the weapons systems that Kerry voted against has also been taken out of context? Maybe Dick Cheney himself asked for or wanted some of those systems abolished after the Peace Dividend? Do you want to hear the words of Cheney about those weapons systems?
Topic: Military/Troops
Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President
Date: 4/26/2004
Quote/Claim:
"It is irresponsible to vote against vital support for the United States military [and] repeatedly call for major reductions or outright cancellations of many of our most important weapons systems.” [Source: White House Web site]
Fact:
"We have to get on with the business of cutting…We have to cut out those things we don't need. We have to cut out those things that we can do without in the military area, that we can do without in terms of the complex that is the Department of Defense…Over the course of the last year, since I've been Secretary, I've recommended terminating, cancelling, shutting down 20 separate weapons programs." - Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, 4/30/90
"The F-14B, of course, we're terminating in '90. There's no new money in it for '91. The AHIP, the Phoenix missile, the F-15 aircraft, et cetera -- all of those are being terminated in '91…The Apache helicopter, of course, ends in '91. The M1 tank, we're proposing to shut down the M1 tank production lines in '91.” - Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, 2/1/90
Defense Secretary Cheney tried "to reduce active-duty troop strength" from 2.2 million to 1.6 million while making "deep cuts in the Reserves and National Guard." - NY Times, 8/4/91
If President Reagan "doesn't really cut defense, he becomes the No. 1 special pleader in town…The president has to reach out and take a whack at everything to be credible [meaning] you've got to hit defense." - U.S. Rep. Dick Cheney, 12/16/84
Would you like to hear it when Bush I asked Cheney in his State of the Union speech to cut the weapons?
"Two years ago, I began planning cuts in military spending that reflected the changes of the new era. But now, this year, with Imperial Communism gone, that process can be accelerated. Tonight I can tell you of dramatic changes in our strategic nuclear force. These are actions we are taking on our own, because they are the right thing to do.
After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement, we will shut down production of the B-2 bomber. We will cancel the ICBM program. We will cease production of new warheads for our sea-based missiles. We will stop all production of the peacekeeper missile. And we will not purchase any more advanced cruise missiles."
…
"The Secretary of defense recommended these cuts after consultation with the joint chiefs of staff. And I make them with confidence. But do not misunderstand me: The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office. These cuts are deep, and you must know my resolve: this deep, and no deeper. To do less would be insensible to progress, but to do more would be ignorant of history. We must not go back to the days of "the hollow army". We cannot repeat the mistakes made twice in this century when armistice was followed by recklessness and defense was purged as if the world was permanently safe.
I remind you this evening that I have asked for your support in funding a program to protect our country from limited nuclear missile attack. We must have this protection because too many people in too many countries have access to nuclear arms. There are those who say that now we can turn away from the world, that we have no special role, no special place. But we are the United States of America, the leader of the West that has become the leader of the world. "
So please, do not tell me what is and is not taken out of 'context' and then how to define context.
> Every point made about the Kerry has
> been taken out of "context."
--Here's a shocker for you.
I AGREE WITH YOU that a lot of what they say about Kerry is taken out of context.
--Now can we get back to the point about YOU (and every other Dem or Lib) taking this ONE point out of context?
So, if you agree, do you support President Bush or Kerry? If you can agree that that Kerry's statements have been taken out of context, I would find it incredible that you could still support Bush. But since you began this exchange with spitting out the word "Dem" and "Lib," I'm assuming you're not. YOU began with the insults, but as always, you people accuse the other side of what you do and then whine about it.
> I'm very surprised
> that you know what "context" is.
From a couple of posts on a comment section of someone's blog? Wow. You're good.
I can only go from what you originally wrote. If you had written something more grand or well-formed, then maybe I could have seen the wonder of your being.
> Dumb it down? Dumb it down? Is 'flip-flop' not
> dumbing it down enough? Get a life, get a grip,
> or get an education. Either one of those will
> do you well.
---Wow. And you're thinking I can't understand the context?
Either one? Either in this use is used to make a choice between TWO options. You gave me three. The correct word to use would have been 'any.'
---Maybe you should get that education you accusing me of needing after all. But it was a good try anyways. Kudos for that.
Well good for you that you can overlook the 'dumbed down' quality of flip-flop and go right for the 'either/or.'
Sometimes being too clever can be a sin.
> When in the last three days of your convention
> you have called my party more names then the
> Democrats ever did at their convention, then
> you can suggest to me how to apologize.
--Hmm? Complete sentences giving you trouble now? That makes absolutely no sense. Ask any 2nd grade English teacher. Rewrite a coherent sentence and get back with me on this one.
Whine whine whine. You know exactly what I mean, whether the sentences are complete or not. Who is playing dumb now? It's not me, buddy. I not going bother to answer you on this one, your Majesty. Suffice it to say, call me names in your party and on this blog, and I will call you names back and there will be no apologies. But maybe I can blame it all on 527 PACS, eh?
September 2, 2004 04:42 PM
> Who is playing dumb now?
I'm only playing dumb. I'm afraid it's probably your natural condition.
Maybe you'll grow out of it one day.
> I not going bother to answer you on this one,
> your Majesty.
Exactly what I'd say if I couldn't answer it either. Cut and run. Typical.
> Suffice it to say, call me names in your party
> and on this blog, and I will call you names
> back and there will be no apologies. But maybe
> I can blame it all on 527 PACS, eh?
It's amazing you type so much but say so little.
At least you attempt. Fail, but attempt.
September 2, 2004 05:43 PM
Andrew Sullivan on Zell Miller:
http://snipurl.com/8tuf
September 2, 2004 05:47 PM
As per usual, ignore the meat and go for the bone. Ignore the facts and head for the throat. Can't find an answer to the issues? Slime. Don't confront any of the issues at hand, like Bush 'flipper' moments or Cheney wanting the same military cuts (and actually, deeper cuts) and don't answer those charges, but go for the jugular. Oh, right, it's all taken out of context.
Talk about typical.
September 2, 2004 06:26 PM
You can present Bush supporters with fact after fact and they simply will refuse to see the truth. Ironically it is many of his supporters, the middle class, who will end up getting screwed the hardest by Bush.
Zell Miller's speach was 90% lies and 10% crap. It's easy to prove every one of his "facts" to be completely incorrect, as many previous posters have done a great job of. And yet Bush's supporters will line up to vote for him with closed eyes, minds and hearts.
Bush rules and controls with fear. He whipped everyone up over Iraq so he could go to war. He uses 9/11 as a promo tool even though he was asleep at the wheel prior to the attacks. The republicans refuse to mention Osama Bin Laden at their convention because they know it is a huge failure. One of their many failures.
They have no accomplishments to mention so they instead spend their entire time screaming lie after lie about John Kerry. This is an indication of how threatened they are by him and his supporters. They can only win by dishonest means just like when they stole the last election.
Ironically, a vote for Bush is a vote for the "Evil Doers"
September 2, 2004 06:50 PM
The Dems are FURIOUS over Zell's speech. The fact is that Kerry's record is attrocious. He is the most liberal Senator in Washington and he will lead our country to disaster.
For the past several years we have been hearing every kind of vile attack on our President that the evil Democrat leadership could muster. Al Gore screaming about how "George Bush betrayed America! He played on our fears!" Kennedy, Daschle and the elite liberal media letting him have it again and again.
Now one of their own party gives it BACK to them and they are having a hissy fit.
For what its worth, I completely support the President, and its not out of fear. I support his policy, his decision making and his leadership. You want to see fear? Look in the eyes of the Kerry campaign and the Democrat party which no longer represents mainstream America. They are quickly becoming irrelevent. So how do they fight back? FEAR.
The only thing that scares me (and only a little at that) is that Democrats might get the power again. Woe to America on that day. Kerry will appoint more judges that legislate from the bench, corrupting our beloved nation with more people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. What we really need is more brilliant minds like Clarence Thomas and Antonin Slalia, strict constructionists that interpret law according to intent, not to their own political flavor.
I'm rambling and the RNC is getting ready to fire up for the night. Can't wait to hear the President's vision for the next four years!
September 2, 2004 09:27 PM
Joel, you have once again missed the point. People are angry at Zell Miller FOR LYING. Have you not read the previous posts?
Does the truth mean anything to you?
I don't care who you vote for but there is no way to defend liars. Dance with the devil if you think it will help elect your man but I for one want to be able to sleep at night knowing I have lived my life with honor.
There is no honor in the Bush administration. Call it a "hissy fit" if you want, but I call it the truth.
Your kids will pay the price for this reckless president, but you will never be able to see that through your hate filled "christian" glasses.
Geroge Bush is a complete failure, it's time for change.
September 2, 2004 10:31 PM
Let's see.
1) You say Zell Miller lied. I say John Kerry is a flaming liar. I think people are angry because Zell told the truth. No way to defend liars? C'mon, Dems have become masters at that art. How else do you explain the support of a President that was impeached and committed perjury (that's convicted of lying, I believe).
2) Truth means EVERYTHING to me. Under the leadership of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Teddy Kennedy, Tom Daschle and John Kerry, the Democrat party has become one huge lie. You may disagree, but it doesn't change how I think or feel.
3) I will NOT sleep well at nights if John Kerry becomes President. I will sleep well is George W. Bush is reelected. Neither my honor or integrity is in question. And I see a more genuine individual in Bush than in most other politicians.
4) Dance with the devil? No thanks, my dance card is already filled. He ain't on it. :-)
5) Hate? I don't know where you get that, except perhaps that you protesteth too much. If there is any hate being expressed, I believe it has come from your heart. Why else would you make a bigoted comment about my Christianity? Perhaps you need to do a soul-check, friend. I am a happy person, glad to be an American, and learning to be tolerant of those who are blind to truth. And I don't "hate" John Kerry. I hate what he stands for. On the other hand, your venomous attacks on Bush conform to the dictionary definition of hate far more. Hello, pot? Yes, this is the kettle. You're black.
6) George W. Bush has not done everything the way I would necessarily approved, but overall he gets my support. George W. Bush is a success, and the history books will write it truthfully, just as they are for Ronald Reagan posthumously.
September 2, 2004 10:54 PM
Joel, you say a lot but you never back it up with facts. How many times do you have to be presented with Dick Cheney's voting record on the military? How many times do you have to be presented with John Kerry's ACTUAL voting record?
Zell Miller's speech was one big lie but you are so stuck in this Rep vs Dem mentality that you are unable to see the truth.
Lies are lies no matter how you want to rearrange them in your mind to make you feel better.
You are hate filled and do not appear to be a good christian as you claim. You are non interested in honor or the truth. You are interested in understanding the complex nature of our world. You are not interested in trying to understand your fellow Americans who have a wide range of differing points of view.
You are only interested in hiding behind a bible to make yourself feel superior. Hiding behind a reckless president with the IQ of a 6th grader who does not think twice about sending troops into harms way without the proper body armer and then trying to twist the truth to make it appear that is was John Kerry who hates the troops so much he voted to send them to Iraq naked.
Give me a break and grow up. The world is not a comic book, there is a real price to pay for this president's terrible perfomance.
I don't need my president to have "the allmighty" tell him what to do. I need a president who lives in the real world and actually reads a newspaper once in a while.
I know I can't convine you of any of this just as there is no way to convince me that george bush isn't a misserable failure.
I just wish you would try to open your eyes to at least one fact. on the other hand, who cares, as long as you head stuck in that bible of yours it will never happen.
September 2, 2004 11:24 PM
I'm sorry you are so troubled USA. Your bigotry has caused your heart to be angry. I don't remember ever quoting a Bible verse to you, yet your hate for my faith is out there for all to see. Since you apparantly have me pegged in your nice little box, I guess I need to go ahead and quote a Bible verse for you. I don't want to disappoint your prejudiced expectations.
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." - John 15:18
(that was Jesus speaking...)
September 2, 2004 11:41 PM
USA said:"...with the IQ of a 6th grader..."
Can you show me where you obtained this little fact?
I like to start small before I tear someone apart.
September 2, 2004 11:50 PM
Hehe.. that's funny Marco. Why, he's so stupid that he has the Democrat party totally flumoxed. They have tried every lie, deceit and personal smear in their power, and Bush still have a majority approval rating. He's so dumb that they don't have any central message or theme, other than "Bush lied".
Actually, insinuating that Bush has a 6th grade IQ is exactly the type of personal attack that you would expect of a 6th grade child! I remember when I was little, some kids would react like that when someone was doing something they didn't like. They would turn to them, stick their tongue out, and say, "Your just STUPID". I love the irony.
September 2, 2004 11:57 PM
> As per usual, ignore the meat and go for the
> bone.
Let's go back and review exactly what happened here.
You accuse Bush of flip flopping. I help you to understand that you were taking it out of context. I then ADMITTED that I believe that the Republicans are taking a lot of what Kerry said out of context too.
You then proceed to CONTINUE to get onto Bush for flip flopping.
You claim to be able to admit a mistake but you then proceed to justify why you apologize by claiming someone else is worse than you.
> Ignore the facts and head for the throat.
Which is exactly what you're doing. Thanks for pointing it out.
> Can't find an answer to the issues? Slime.
I've got plenty of answers. I know who I'm dealing with though. You don't care about that. You (and USA apparently) have your "Anybody but Bush" theology and there's nothing thats going to change that.
> Don't confront any of the issues at hand, like
> Bush 'flipper' moments...
Like you keep wanting to bring up yet any intelligent, rational thinking human being can understand exactly what he meant.
Can you win a war on r.a.p.e? Can you win a war on robberies?
Of course you can't. You can make progress and win individual battles, but you'll never get rid of it completely.
> or Cheney wanting the same military cuts (and
> actually, deeper cuts) and don't answer those
> charges, but go for the jugular.
I've never bothered to talk about Cheney because, here's another shocker for you. I don't like Cheney either!!! WOW!
Is it possible that someone like me actually can have his own beliefs and not have to be spoon fed drivel like most democrats and liberals I run into? You keep spouting today's talking points and nothing more. I wonder if you've ever had an original thought?
> Oh, right, it's all taken out of context.
> Talk about typical.
You bet. When you ready to talk like an adult, I'll be happy to respond that way.
September 3, 2004 12:03 AM
Just heard Kerry in OH. You guys are going down.
RNC = Really Not Compassionate
September 3, 2004 02:01 AM
I'm sure it was a rip-roaring speech. Who was Kerry tonight? If Kerry wins, we ALL go down.
September 3, 2004 01:20 PM
> Oh, right, it's all taken out of context.
> Talk about typical.
You bet. When you ready to talk like an adult, I'll be happy to respond that way.
Wow... you just made Zell Miller look sane
September 6, 2004 08:23 PM
Elderta said: "Wow... you just made Zell Miller look sane"
That's it? That's the only thing you could think of saying?
This is a battle of wits and you're clearly not armed.
September 7, 2004 09:26 PM
Hey Elderta....guess which former American president was offered Osama Bin Laden on a plate THREE TIMES....and PASSED on that offer ALL THREE TIMES?
If you REALLY want to know why we have not yet captured Osama Bin Laden, I suggest you ask BILL CLINTON, not George W. Bush. But let's be honest Elderta, you couldn't care less about Osama Bin Laden's capture. The simple, transparent fact is that you liberals just love to point out that Osama has not yet been captured as some major failure on Bush's part. (yeah....like Al Gore would have had this pesky little war on terror thingy all wrapped up by now if he were president...cough, cough, cough!!!)
Democratic/liberal hypocrisy is SO THICK you could slam a speeding Mack truck into it and you wouldn't make a single dent in the hypocrisy, yet the Mack truck would be disintegrated!
You need to take this silly little "Oh yeah? well where is Osama Bin Laden, huh? huh? huh????" argument of yours and toss it in the trash where it belongs...because it is just garbage.
It's not too late to do the RIGHT THING for your country Elderta! Don't vote for John Kerry in november...you know you don't really like him. The man wears a perpetual frown...he looks like Herman Munster for crying out loud!
Be smart...Vote for Bush!!!
4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!!