You can't make this stuff up. Tom Daschle, Senate Minority leader and bottleneck to progress has really put his foot in it with his new campaign commercial. He is going to have a tough race against Republican challenger Tom Thune this November, and you will not believe the approach he is taking. After repeatedly condeming the President and the Republicans for the approach they have taken to defeating terrorism, Daschle is running a spot IDENTIFYING himself with Bush's war on terror! Not only that, it shows Daschle EMBRACING Bush! Oh, the raging hypocrisy. I hope Daschle gets sent packing back to the Dakotas on November 2nd.
These people are absolutely desperate, and I'm lovin' it.

August 31, 2004 08:42 AM
Here's some of my favorite hypocrisy, well I guess they are really just lies.
"I'm a war President"
- George Bush
"I'm a peace President"
- George Bush
"Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, we know this to be true"
- George Bush
At least these lies only cost the lives of 1,000 American men and woman. No big deal I guess. Just a bunch of nameless, faceless kids dying everyday so I guess it shouldn't affect us right? Plus, it's really only about 5 or 10 Americans having their lives cut short each day. Only 5 or 10 families ripped apart each day. But these aren't real lives and real families, right Joel? And I'm sure Joel Comm would be first in line to send his kids to Iraq, right?
August 31, 2004 03:06 PM
Typical liberal mumbo jumbo by the previous posted.
Our nation grieves for those who have given their lives for a very WORTHY cause, that is liberating the people of Iraq from a cruel murderous tyrant.
Liberals like you would have left Hitler in power. You people don't understand a thing about strength, nor that which makes America the greatest country on the face of the earth.
I would be proud to have a family member fight the good fight to bring other people to liberty and freedom.
I hate to bring this to your attention, because you would think it would have gotten through your skull by now. But, here goes.
Every freakin' country in the western world thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Get over it.
By the way, 40000 Americans die every year in car wrecks. Talk about dying for nothing. While every life lost in Iraq is a tragedy, 1000 people is a very small price compared to the thousands upon thousands that Saddam was executing. How did he execute them? Weapons of mass destruction.
Wacko extremist liberals need to just shut up and let the grown ups run the country.
August 31, 2004 06:45 PM
Bob,
You can attack me and call me wacko all you want, I truly do not have a problem with that. If it makes you feel better be my guest, I believe in free speech.
BUT, the fact that you have the nerve to compare our troops dying in Iraq to people dying in car accidents is disgusting. You tell me to "get over it". Why don't you tell every family member of those 1,000 soldiers killed in Iraq to "get over it".
I can't believe you are so far removed from reality and so completely void of any compassion that you would actually say that "1000 people is a very small price". How can you be so crude? I would like to see you tell that to every parent that lost a son or daughter.
What is this worthy cause? WMD's? Nope there were none. How about all those times Saddam Hussein attacked the US? Nope, never happened. How about that connection between Hussein and 9/11? Nope, there wasn't a connection, even the Bush administration admits to that now. Why is it ok to ignore torture and abuse against your fellow man in places like China, Korea, Africa and Saudi Arabia?
The war in Afghanistan is worthy, that is where we should be, not wasting human life and resources in Iraq for nothing. Remember a guy named Osama Bin Laden who actually DID attack the US?
I won't even address the Hitler remark because that is just stupid and simple minded and there is no way to possibly explain the complexities of this world to you in this small space.
I support our troops because I DO care every time a soldier dies. I think about each and every one of those people when I hear the daily news about death in Iraq. I picture their families getting the horrific news and how their lives instantly shatter. One death is too many in Iraq.
Bob, Your comments are sickening and uninformed. You can not let your hatred for Democrats remove you from reality.
Please take the time to visit these websites, maybe they will help you understand that 1,000 dead soldiers is more than a "small price to pay."
http://www.thousandreasons.org/wardead.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm
August 31, 2004 07:30 PM
While I don't necessarily agree with Bob's approach, I don't read his message like you do. I don't see him making light of those who have died in Iraq. I see him saying that they died for a worthy cause. I agree with his assertions that liberals don't understand this war. War is a terrible, terrible thing. But we didn't start it. And Bush is going to do his best to finish it. He is a true American hero and the history books will make note of it, just as they are already remembering Ronald Reagan for his accomplishments, despite liberals best attempts to besmirch his intelligence and policy while he was in office. History, redux.
August 31, 2004 09:21 PM
Joel,
Although Bob may not have meant to make light of those dying in Iraq, that is the end result and it can not be excused. I feel very strongly about that.
You need to open your mind and not feel like you have to make comments like "liberals don't understand this war." We all need to stop labeling each other and judge people on their individual, complex merits. You simply can not break down such complex issues in a black and white or "Us vs. Them" way. You don't know me just as I don't know you (other than what I can gather from your website).
I am all for a spirited debate, but debate is not possible when you make such sweeping generalizations about such a large, diverse group of people.
We DID choose this war, we did "start it" and there is no way to rationally say otherwise.
Saddam Hussein was a terrible terrible person but he was not an immediate threat the the US and he did not posses ANY weapons of mass destruction. Your president lied to you when he took us to war and he has the blood of 1,000 Americans on his hands because of these lies. By the way, I supported Bush for a couple months after 9/11 so I am a very open minded person.
We need to get Osama, and taking valuable resources out of Afghanistan was a huge mistake and I fear we are going to pay a bigger price than we did on 9/11 for this mistake. I don't want to die and believe it or not I don't want you or Bob to die at this man's hand either.
To say that liberals do not understand war is wrong. I understand that we are dealing with a culture that is greatly unlike our own, a culture that is thousands of years old. I understand that it takes more than good intentions to change such a culture. You simply can not force democracy on people, it simply will not work. Change has to come from within a nation not form an occupying force.
If Mr. Bush would have said to you and me "I want to go to war with Iraq to get rid of Saddam and bring democracy to his people" I would not be as angry as I am today. The plain and simple truth is that Bush and his administration ignored every expert who said there were no WMD's and they chose to lie to the world about it in order to start this war. He lies about tax breaks for the rich, he lies about the environment and he lied about this war. I can not excuse that.
The facts are there for the taking and I think that deep down you might know that. There is no way with a straight face you can tell me we were not lied to about this war. There is no way with a straight face you can tell me the Iraq war is going well.
I know that war is "a terrible thing" that is why we can not put our troops in harm's way based on lies and without any plan what so ever to get them out safely.
I sincerely ask you Joel, to look into the eyes of your children and decide if you would be willing to send them to Iraq to get shot in the head, or blown into a million pieces. Really think about it. Is this war worth their lives, because this is what you ask of other parents? It's real easy to sit back at your desk in your air conditioned house with the TV playing in the background and say "yeah it's worth it for all those other parents to loose their children" but are you able to visualize YOUR child laying in a ditch along the road in Baghdad. It's not fair to ask it of others if you would not do the same.
August 31, 2004 10:31 PM
I believe you are sincere, but I believe are sincerely. Yes, I can look you straight in the eye and without hesitation say that we did the right thing. The whole "Bush lied" thing has been exposed so many times, I can't believe there is still a contigency that actually believes it. Every commission and report has shown that he did not "lie". As you said, the facts are indeed there for the taking. I have examined them and find no case for this supposed "lie".
As for the whole "war is terrible.. would you send your children" mantra, I have to agree that it would be incredibly difficult to send my own children to war. I do not minimize war, but understand the reality of it. Any child of mine that ends up in a war (and I pray they don't), will be in service of their country. Hopefully, they would be as courageous as the brave men and women who have already fought the good fight.
We ARE going after Bin Laden. I believe it was Clinton that let him slip through his fingers. The case for the connection between Iraq and Saddam is obvious. I think you should read the quotes made by Clinton and many Democrats who stated that Saddam was a threat and needed to be taken out. Their story changed when they realized that Bush would get the credit.
I daresay too many people have seen Michael Moore's fiction piece and believe it. It is a problem for the rest of us that the gullible are falling for it, but hopefully there will be enough people who vote with their brains engaged Nov 2nd.
I could go on and on regarding the dull mantra about "Tax breaks for the rich" and the other nonsense, but its all been said before.
Is Bush perfect? Far from it. Do I approve of everything he has done? On the contrary! I think his immigration policy stinks. Our borders should be closed. I think throwing more money at education is a big mistake. I think he has been weak at supporting his judicial nominees. I think we should be drilling for more domestic oil. And the list goes on...
Is he the right man for the war on terror? Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kerry and his ultra left-wing cronies will destroy us from within, and allow our enemies to destroy us everywhere else. Anyhow, end of discussion for me...
August 31, 2004 11:05 PM
Guess what Joel, I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet. Have you seen it? You have a lot of opinions about it so you must have.
You never answered my question... would you sacrifice your kids for the IRAQ WAR? Not some pretend war, the Iraq war that is happening right now. Try to discredit this question by calling it a "mantra", but you know it is a valid question and that's probably why you refused to answer it. Everyone's a big war cowboy when they are safely at home and someone else's kids are getting shot at.
You know what, I was all set to write this long reply discussing the points you brought up but I am realizing there is no point, you are too far gone. You certainly do not sound very Christian that's for sure. I guess I will never understand the right wing just as you will never understand the left. This is one of Bush's saddest legacies, a country divided. Purposely divided by an administration in order to rule with fear and confusion. What happened to the amazing united feeling we all had the months after 9/11.
I would love to see you back up your claims but I have seen in other messages you do not do accept those challenges.
Best of luck, I hope your kids never have to die because of the lies of a President.
August 31, 2004 11:29 PM
Here's one for you. Bush says it is essential that we have a Constitutional amendment banning g*y marriage. But his vice-president, Cheney, comes out and opposes the amendment and Bush indicates he isn't bothered that the bottom half of his ticket differs from his own view. That tells me that Bush's position is for political, not moral, reasons.
August 31, 2004 11:45 PM
Hey Joel T.. good to see you around!
Good American, I don't bother to debate because your mind won't be changed by it. Your assumptions and conclusions about me couldn't be more wrong. I understand the left wing VERY well. I lived in that wing during my early adulthood. After much internal conflict and subsequent humility, I recognized the error
of my wrong thinking and began to see the world differently.
You are correct about one thing. The country is divided. But it happened long before Bush came into office. I don't know who you are calling afraid and/or confused, but the people I know have faith and are thinking pretty straight, especially considering the times we live in.
September 1, 2004 08:21 AM
To "Good (misguided) American",
First of all....our men and women in uniform VOLUNTEERED their service. That's right, Jack! In case you haven't been paying attention, there is no draft! Our soldiers are ADULTS who joined the service willingly because they wanted to serve their country. In fact, many of them who were badly injured in Iraq want to heal up so they can go back to their units to join the fight again. I've read several first hand accounts to that effect. They are ADULTS, by the way....not kids, not children. ADULTS! Parents do not "send" them off to fight.....they send themselves!! Got it???
Secondly, Saddam was HIMSELF a Weapon of Mass Destruction! Anyone who spearheads the genocide of his own people (or ANY people for that matter) fits the DEFINITION of a weapon of mass destruction. Another thing you liberals always conveniently fail to consider is that Saddam knew MONTHS IN ADVANCE that we were coming to look for those weapons. Now if YOU were Saddam, wouldn't you think seriously about HIDING your weapons???? Maybe in another country...like say, oh I don't know....SYRIA perhaps? Hiding them not only to preserve those weapons from the inspectors hands or our troops...but ALSO because it would GREATLY embarrass President Bush? HELLO???? But no....this would be taking the path of logic and reason, which has absolutely no place in liberal politics. You pig-headed liberals can't see truth and you can't understand true evil. Neville Chamberlain didn't understand evil, Bill Clinton didn't understand evil, and John Kerry doesn't understand evil. All he understands is whatever is politically expedient to him at any given time. He is merely a piece of political driftwood floating around the political ocean...whichever way the tide goes.
And this is why liberals have no place in leading this country. ESPECIALLY at this time in our history with the very real terror threats the world is facing. (yes, the WORLD, not just the United States) If Gore had been elected in 2000....Saddam and the Taliban would still be in power and Osama would be plotting the next big attack on our country. Instead he is on the RUN! And he WILL BE CAUGHT. But you liberals would have us all fall fast asleep again as a nation so that these plots could be easily carried out by our enemies. Clinton slept for 8 long years. He did NOTHING about Osama Bin Laden. He was handed Osama on a plate not ONCE, not TWICE....but THREE TIMES by the Sudan!! And he did NOTHING, NADA, ZIPPO! Bush didn't fail this country, BILL CLINTON failed this country! He failed each and every family member of every single innocent soul that lost his or her life on September 11th, 2001. You liberals need to simply SHUT UP, step aside, and let Bush do his job for 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!.......GO ARNOLD!
Just one last thing...you liberals LOVE to harp and harp all day long about what a coward Bush was during the Vietnam war simply because his National Guard unit was not needed in the actual fighting. You have made this point a KEY factor in this election. How ironic it is then that you all seemed not to have the slightest care about Vietnam war records or heroism when Bill Clinton was running. (the draft-dodger who not only didn't serve AT ALL but skipped off to England and then Canada!) You could care less about it in 1992...and you could care less about it again in 1996 even when he was running against a true veteran who actually DID serve!
And yet, you liberals have the nerve to talk about HYPOCRISY???? Oh PLEASE, stop making yourselves look so foolish and just shut up!
September 1, 2004 12:26 PM
Well said, Macmusic...
You inspired me to do today's entry for September 1st. This nonsense about Bush lying about WMDs is so old. I can't believe that people are still saying it after all these months.
Are you watching the RNC? It is so hopeful to watch. What a contrast to the despondency and hate that came out of Boston last month.
September 1, 2004 09:33 PM
Macmusic,
You obviously think war is like a movie or a video game. Your comments about our troops are insensitive and sickening. You obviously do hot have any loved ones in Iraq like I do. Just because there isn't a draft does not mean we can send our troops into a war based on lies and worst yet have no plan what so ever to get them out. Not to mention the fact that most of the troops don't even have the proper equipment need for basic safety, I know about this first hand. Kids or no kids, however you want to define these brave man and woman, they ARE REAL PEOPLE and how dare you make light of that. I hope you never have to go through what my family has in the last year.
To try to use some crazy excuse that Saddam IS a WMD is just ridiculous. So let's get this straight, when Colin Powell gave his presentation to the UN and showed photo after photo of "WMDs", were those photos of Saddam Hussein? I'm confused, I thought those were supposed to be photos of bombs. So I guess you are right, we did find that huge stock pile of weapons after all. This Theory of yours is absolutely moronic.
I would like to know how you would feel if one of your family members was over there right now.
You can throw your little childish fits and tell me to "shut up" as you have others but it will do you no good. I am sad for you.
I don't understand why the right is so filled with hate, why couldn't you join the debate in a civil way, the way others on the subject were. Typical bully.
September 1, 2004 11:12 PM
Jesus, macmusic, take it easy and take your pills. What's with all the crazy yelling?
September 1, 2004 11:12 PM
Soldier's Aunts' comments are quite touching, and definitely emotional. I, for one, can sympathize with those who have loved ones in Iraq. However, do not let your emotions cloud your judgment, as you appear to be doing in your comments.
Again, yet another person repeating the "Bush lied" phrase. I refer you to my post of Sept. 1, 2004.
http://www.joelcomm.com/archives/006471.html
We ALL know someone who is in the Middle East right now.
As for hate, I see it in the left more than anywhere. And are you keeping up with the protesters at the RNC? Talk about hate and bullying. The party that preaches "tolerance" is the most intolerant bunch ever to exist in our nation, short of the KKK.
I'm sorry you have it upside down. By the way, Democrats are to vote on Nov. 3rd this year. ;-)
September 1, 2004 11:25 PM
Man Joel, we will never see eye to eye. I could not disagree with you more. I mean literally I disagree with almost everything you say. How is protesting "bullying?" thank god we have the right to protest. Is it bullying to protest outside of an abortion clinic or is that ok with you. You can't pick and choose like that in a free society.
Comparing democrats to the KKK is just plain dumb. Is it tolerant to force your religion on the rest of the country? Do you think we should all be christians? Do you realize America was born out of religious persecution. Our founders were escaping a government that would not allow freedom of religion.
In a free society you have to allow people to BE FREE weather you like it or not. Bush needs to get HIS bible out of the white house because it does not represent EVERY American. Religion has no place in politics. NONE!
I can't think of a less compassionate party than the republicans. Does macmusic (see above) seem even the least bit compassionate? He sounds like a raging lunatic! How many times does that idiot say "SHUT UP?" Hey, that's a great way to have an intelligent debate.
It's time as Americans to try to see eye to eye but it won't happen with this "f**k you if you don't think like me" mentality of the right.
September 2, 2004 12:20 AM
Hey Ken.. we probably have much more common ground than you would think. Part of the differences I read are really matters of opinion or misunderstandings.
The protestors that have been arrested are bullying. I saw at least two groups enter the convention for the purpose of being disruptive today. No such thing happened at the DNC. The weirdos from Act-Up were getting naked outside in order to make their point. That's not harrassing? The list goes on, you just aren't seeing much of it on the news. It's bad for Kerry every time these people show up. Dissent is fine. Protest is fine. At the DNC, the protestors were put in cages, like animals. So, which party is being more tolerant?
To answer your question, it is wrong to take the pro-life tactics that others have. It is never right to get in someone's face and condemn them for something that they are free to do.
The point about KKK was a figure of speech to indicate that these people are not tolerant at all. Besides, MoveOn.org had no problem comparing Bush to Hitler. Shoot, even Ted Kennedy did it and NO ONE publicly condemned him for it. Shameful.
Religion has no place in politics? I suggest a basic civics lesson for you, my friend. Allow me to give you a few quotes from a few people you may have heard of who beg to differ with your post-modern and mistaken view.
"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
"The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." - Andrew Jackson
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry
"I believe the bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Savior (Jesus) of the world is communicated to us through this book." - Abraham Lincoln
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.
While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support." - George Washington
"The most perfect maxims and examples for regulating your social conduct and domestic economy, as well as the best rules of morality and religion, are to be found in the Bible. . . . The moral principles and precepts found in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. These principles and precepts have truth, immutable truth, for their foundation. . . . All the evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. . . . For instruction then in social, religious and civil duties resort to the scriptures for the best precepts." - Noah Webster
And the list goes on and on.
Let me address this statement and show you how shallow it is. You said...
"Bush needs to get HIS bible out of the white house because it does not represent EVERY American."
Besides the fact that the history of America refutes your opinion, lets examine this. Bill Clinton did NOT represent me WITHOUT his Bible. His religion was not Christianity. I don't know what it was, but it wasn't related to the Bible other than occassional lip service. I could easily argue that he should remove his corrupt theology from the White House because it doesn't agree with mine. It's preposterous. Every one comes with ideology and a belief system. You cannot separate Bush's faith from the way he governs. They are linked together and it is part of his identity.
Now then, is there anger on the right? Absolutely! We have watched the democrats fall to the lowest levels I can imagine. Zell Miller summed it all up perfectly tonight. The Democrat stance (and I speak of the leadership.. I am certain there are plenty of democrats that disagree but stick with the party out of loyalty) has been one of disunity. Comments by Democrat leaders have emboldened the enemy and probably served to hurt our just cause to a good degree.
You don't have to think like me, but I am not going to accept what you say.
As I have said before, I used to be liberal. I thought pot should be legalized, abortion should be legal and that Republicans only stood for the rich. Once I grew up a bit, I came to find that I was wrong. Anyhow, thats my story and I'm sticking to it. I'm sure we would enjoy very civil discussion if we were to sit and have a coke together. I'm really a nice guy!
October 19, 2004 06:22 AM
Funny, I didn't see a liberal defend Daschle. It has been my contention lo, these many years that to be a liberal, one MUST practice the HEIGHT of hypocrisy. At one point I had $100 going to someone who could prove me wrong. All I got was Reagan was a hypocrite, GWB was a hypocrite, etc. They rarely defend their position, they point at someone else's shortcomings. Let me submit this:
They hate rich corporate millionaires
But will support the millionaires in Hollywood and in Ketchupland.
They hate war heroes
They are voting for one (arguably one)
They hate the Bush Doctorine in Iraq, but will vote for someone who will do the Bush Doctorine "Better"
They scream that the Gummit is taking away their rights in the patriot act, but want guns taken away.
They want the Gummit out of their bodies (abortion), but want Gummit health care.
They scream that Bush is "Sending" jobs overseas, but the Heinz Corp has many factories overseas.
They rabidly claimed Milosovic (a man few heard of) was a threat to humanity and needed removed from power immediately, but Saddam was "contained" and should have been left alone.
I don't recall Sean Penn going to Bosnia.
We should not have Gone to Baghdad unilaterally.
We should go to N. Korea Unilaterally.
Thousands of innocents died during Bombing:Bad
Millions of innocents die in abortion: Good
Racism is Bad
Affirmative action (anti white preferential treatment) is good
Muslims are good
Jews are bad
John Kerry voted against the death penalty for Terrorists
John Kerry will now "kill" terrorists
Need I go on???? Funny how if you read one of the above posts the person basically says that these issues are just too complex for the limited intellect of the "Right wingers". But cannot seem to defend his position even to the point where Hitler, (in practice a left winger) is a moot point. Hitler???? A man who changed the world more so than anyone since the roman empire a moot point??? A man who slaughtered millions of Jews a moot point?? And "I" have a limited intellect?? The problem is that they see how their position is always on the wrong side of humanity and history and they cannot deal with it. Now, watch the posts in response there will either be none, there will responses in reference to GWB or Reagan etc, or the right wing is, racist etc. Just watch.
January 11, 2005 05:17 PM
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