Glenn Beck has not spoken about
evolution, The information that has come out
that we are some how related to Aliens that
came here a long time ago would change the
way people would believe about creation.
This type of information would put these
Christian evangelicals in their place.

Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell look on the
bright at least you know you don,t come from
Apes

Joel - good call. Barbara mentions how Friday's (10/2) show proves Glenn's a Nazi. I remember at the top of the show, Glenn said, "I need you to listen to the show this morning. If you aren't going to listen, turn to another station now. I don't need you to just hear this." And Glenn proceeded to go into his discussion of the commonalities of Jesus and Hitler (which is the subject of one chapter of the book.)

I bet Barbara thinks that Glenn has an incestuous relationship with his sister, and that he thinks that JFK Jr is not really dead, and, for that matter, that Brazil is in South Africa.

Glenn Beck is God.

I find Glenn to be very enlightnening. I am weary of the constant barrage of Rush Limbaugh and the pompous way he approaches things. Too bad the smack addiction didnt loosen him up a bit or make him more humble. I tell anyone who will listen to me how great Glenn is mainly because of his positive outlook on everything. In today's society we know all about the crappy elements, the contrast between Glenn and other conservative windbags is that he has hope and faith, and preaches that one person CAN make the difference. I also like the message of if you work hard you will succeed. Maybe I am becoming hopelessly corny as I approach the age of 30 but I think his vision of an idealic America where people care about one another like in days past sounds fantastic!

Well, now that I find Beck's a Mormon, I can undestand some of the wierd things he says. Interesting how he went from an addiction (drugs, booze) to a delusion (Mormonism). All real Christians need to watch out for this sorry man; I for one will no longer expose my children to Beck while I drive.

hey JC, I dont know what faith you are, but you probably lump me in with Glenn because Im Catholic.Its too bad you are such a judgemental person. Did you let your children listen to Glenn before you found out he was Mormon? If so, your nothing but a bigot.

Hey everyone,

we would like to get the text of the christmas song from todays (12/31/04) show. It was very hard to understand. Can anyone help?
Thanks!

Jesus Freak is a freak.

He gives all Christians a bad name.

Secularists are constantly attacking the Judeo-Christian values of America, and freaks like "Jesus freak" won't allow Jews, Catholics, Latter-day Saints, etc., to help thwart the secularists.

It is so called Christians like "Jesus Freak" who end up HELPING the cause of the secularists by proving THEIR point that some Christians are incredibly intolerant.

I am an avid listener of Glen Beck. I am also a Southern Baptist Pastor. Although I do not agree with the Mormon doctrine that Denies the Trinity; God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, 1 God 3 persons; I do not listen to Glen Beck for theological education. He is enjoyable to listen to and I will continue to listen to him. This is not a religious show it's an entertainmant show. I can agree with the moral values of any Mormon even though I disagree with their theology as they are not Christians.

I can not believe how long people have been posting to this topic. Not a lot of people, but the date range is interesting.

Loved the "Nazi" comment, the libs sure love that one. They have no idea what it means, but if they all repeat it, it sounds good.

I saw Glenn down in San Antonio and he was very enjoyable. The fact Glenn is Mormon, more power to him. Mormonism reminds me of a child when he believes in Santa Clause... and then never grows out of that thought process. I wish I had the ability to live in a Fairy-Tale mindset and be Mormon, although regretfully I passed 4th grade and live with reality. All Glenn needs is a great cup of Kona Coffee, or a fresh Newcastle Brown Ale to know life as a Non-Mormon is not all that bad. Religious Propoganda aside, Glenn is a good entertainer and worthy of listening to. Just because Mormonism is a joke does not make Glenn one. I do feel sorry for Glenn's kid's being raised with a false-pretense on what to believe, although most Religions have some flaws and you have to be strong and let it go. I must admit I am annoyed they built a Mormon Temple in my neighorhood down is San Antonio, but like my old man said, "At least it is not a Mosque"!

Judgment is based in knowledge, not assumptions. Christ was ever an example of acting according to what you know and understand to be true. What evidence do you have that Glen has not felt the things he has? You have none, save your assumptions only. To those who have shared aniexty towards the Mormons. Latter Days Saint's believe that Christ's teachings are bigger than all of us but never greater than in the individual. Are you acting in alignment with what you know or your assumptions? A true Latter Day Saint would fight for the right of all people to have freedom of religion. Would you? Christ once said, "by their fruits you shall know them." Are you seeking to "love one another" or do you feel justified that " by this(Your negative comments) shall men know that ye are my disicple?"

We who profess to be Christians must love each other. We must feel good about the steps that all men take towards being better than we are now. We must get beyond the fear and the assumptions and learn to learn from each other. Christ will make the bad man good and the good man better!

Yes, Don.. you illustrate a key difference between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity. Biblical Christianity says that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in Three distinct persons. Mormon theology says they are three DIFFERENT Gods. This is a HUGE difference and it is why Historical and Biblical Christians are forced to label Mormonism as a "cult".

Beck is definitely nothing if not colorful! Glad you enjoy him as well. :-)

Al, if your beliefs are that easily swayed because of a talk-radio host, I doubt you ever leaned to the right of anything.

And then you accuse Hannity and Beck of being "nutjobs" who "have no respect for anyone's opinion".

Oh, the glaring irony.

I love Glenn Beck! I too am LDS (converted 3 years ago), don't always agree with everything but I think its that way with all religions. I do like the family aspect, and having come from an alcoholic family, love the NO DRINKING aspect. Don't get me wrong there are times I would love a beer. I know its a crutch but it works.

Anyway, I love reading what every one has written and you know what you can't please every one.

I don't belong to any Church but know some Christian History

Anciently there used to be two thoughts about the nature of God Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

One group of early Christiains bellieved they were all the same.

The other group of Christians believed they were individuals with the same purpose.

The first group killed the second group off.

The first group created the creed about the Trinity. Can any one really explain the Trinity?
Try reading the creed.

Jesus prayed to His Father in Heaven. God sent the Holy Spirit to strengthen Jesus. Jesus returned to his Father.

If one read the New Testament on their own without a lot of thelogical commentary most would take the Mormon view.

To me this is semantics. So you can't be a Christian if you don't accept fully the theory of the Trinity? The Trinity is not explained in the Gospels, but was added by Thelogians.

Perhaps you traditional Christians should just kill the Mormons like the Ancient Christians killed off the others. What a maravelous example of Christian charity that would be.

To me if you follow the teachings of Jesus and believe he forgivs sin and is the only way to Heaven makes you a Christian.

So this is a question for traditional Christians. Why hate Glen Beck for believing that Jesus is the Son of God. Too weird!

Gary

Holy Cow

I just read Kenneth's comments about Ken Jennings being a Mormon. With all the worthless knowledge Mormonism and Jeopardy give you it is no wonder her did so well!!

Gary brings a powerful point about the two early divisions in christianity. There were indeed two distinct thoughts about the nature of the godhead and each group representing thier view could claim to be believers in christ which is the original true definition of a chirstian. Of course recent history has convieniently altered the definition of a christian to reflect that you cant simply beleive in christ but you must believe he is what we say he is. I personally as a mormon dont see why if christ, god and the holy ghost were all literally the same person, why would jesus in the garden of gethsamane as recorded in the bible kneel and pray to himself "if there be any other way father, let this cup pass from me, never the less, not my will but thine be done". I agree with Gary, the doctrine of the trinity was not established in the bible but came from man later. As for some of the comments made in thread regarding poligamy, I would point out that mormons were not remotely the first christian people to have lived that practice. The Bible which records early history documents that old testament prophets (men who claimed to have ongoing guidance and direction from god) were found to be in the practice of having more than one wife while maintaining direction from god. Clearly if the God of all modern and past christian churches were to object to this practice, he would have corrected these biblical prophets. That is the heritage of the catholics, baptists, methodists, pentacostals, lutheran, episcopal and all other chirstian churches. Now that they are aware this is thier history, they own having once practiced polygamy. This unfortunatley puts them in the same boat for criticism as mormons.

The Bible says that any prophet who prophecies something that doesn't come true is a false prophet. If Joseph Smith prophecied Christ's return in 1896 as I've read, then I suppose I'd have to say that should pretty much wrap up the whole mormon thing for us...

God bless Glenn for his witty humor. Regardless of his particular faith, Glenn unites those with Christian morals to stand up for what they believe instead of being led blindly by political parties or by any other influence. He tells it how it is, independent of his faith or party affiliation and he does it with sheer briliance. Bless him and his mission!

Benny sounds like the Ford salesman screaming, "Don't buy a Chevy! Don't buy a Chevy! Don't buy a Chevy!"

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Ginger, thanks for your wonderful elucidation on Mormonism. You have obviously studied anti-mormon literature in great depth.

For the record, Glenn's faith teaches that men are saved by the Grace of Christ. In fact, the name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Everything in his church is abount "inviting all to come unto Christ and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God."

The great wickedness of such an approach should be readily apparent to all.

In your haste to be a good Ford salesperson, you have also neglected to point out that all mormons have horns and cloven hoofs. . .

Well first let me say, that most of you on here are hypocrites, but even then, most of you who are, cant be blamed. Your organized religious mind has led you to be naive and hypocritical, as well as society and your "bringing up". In my ever-so-humble opinion, all organized religion causes naivety. Now, on to Glenn Beck.

He was born and raised of Catholic faith. The only reason he converted to Mormonism was so he could marry his wife. To add some more things, as long as you believe in the Holy Trinity (whatever you want to call it) and that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you're good to go. Worry about yourself, not others.

I started listening to Glenn Beck a little more than a year ago. I have found that it is very entertaining. It is good to know that someone is willing to bring out the real news stories and isn't afraid to take a stand and say what the rest of us need to. I enjoy Glenn Beck very much and I think that if you are so arrogant as to not have an open mind about what he has to say just because of religion, then there is something wrong with you. We all get the point, we know you're passionate about your faith, good for you. Don't give the Mormon's crap about spreading their religion on other people. Everyone does, in different ways.

I'm 16 years old and have a few Catholic friends, Protestant friends, and Mormon friends. We have had the religious debate many times, so I find it annoying to come onto a site to reply about a radio talk show host and have the religious debate, yet again. I hope we can all become mature enough to move on to a different subject. Let's have fun, OK? Have a nice day.

-Brianna from Idaho (yes, the state famous for evil conservatives)

So, basically the earlier comment that some people don't want to come together for a common cause is true. I wager you would be hard pressed to find a Mormon who lives what her religion teaches that doesn't espouse some of the highest Christian morals and values you have ever seen, even if you do disagree with her doctrine. If you want defense of a Christian ethic, you will make your Mormon neighbors your allies, not your enemies.

I bet none of you Mormon haters have ever got your facts from the Mormons, rather anti-mormon literature. If you are honestly passionate about religion and not just trying to knock other peoples belief than you will check out this website. http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/questions/0,8789,895-1-16,00.html

As an ex-Mormon, I can attest that Mormons are the absolute masters at sophistry and the parsing of words to fit their meaning. If anyone thinks that Bill Clinton's re-definition of the word 'is' is masterful, they should have a conversations with Mormon missionaries. These missionaries prey on people (like Beck) who are, or were, at one point in their lives confused, depressed and despondent.

And anyone who wants to truly understand the bad seed from which Mormonisim sprang, need only to closely examine the life of their founder, Joseph Smith. The man was 100% evil.

Wow...

I just got back from Iraq and discovered Glen Beck. He stands for everything I put my life on the line for. Freedom; freedom of religion, freedom of speech. Freedom from fear that someone would kidnap me in the middle of the night and take me out in the field and get massacred because I didnt believe in the same religion.

Wake up America and love each other. And love the diversity of religions etc.

Look yourself in the mirror and see the bigot you are looking at if you dispise a person for his religion.

I am not an LSD but I had three mormons in my unit and would prefer fighting next to them than next to a bigot.

As a women who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I just would like to say to all of the negative comments of my faith is that "WE DO NOT HAVE TO DEFEND THE TRUTH". It is my belief that the people that spend so much time putting down our faith down are scared and uneducated of the truth in which is taught in our faith. I love my Father in Heaven and love the gospel. Here's a challange: Invite the missionary's into your home and allow them to teach you what our beliefs are and if you still don't believe that is okay. At least you'll know facts.
Thanks for reading.

Believing it is ONLY the blood of Christ that saves, seems to discount the need to try to live a Christlike life. Mormons agree that it is ONLY the blood of Christ that redeems EVERYONE from mortality (caused by Adam's sin), but living a Christlike life (or repentance) helps determine the QUALITY of that salvation on a personal level. Heaven, to a Mormon, is open to just about everyone who ever lived, or will live. I think that is a pretty Christian attitude. Hell, to me, would be to lump all of us together, with limited options.

Someone posted that LDS missionaries prey on people, such as Beck, who are confused, etc. Glenn wasn't “in need” of religion when he went to a church meeting. It was to please his wife, and missionaries weren't involved.

I'm not aware of a training program that missionaries go through to learn how to prey on people? Why are the majority of 19 yr old Mormon boys passionate about what they believe? I think they realize what a unique thing they really have. My missionary son was told by a woman that she would have given anything to know what she knows now, when she was younger, to have avoided so much sorrow in her life.

I, for one, find it odd that anyone who claims to be a "Christian" has the balls to tell someone else that they are NOT. A Christian is somebody who believes that Christ is the Messiah. Beyond that there are hundreds of interpretations and ideas. While not a church goer myself, I can say that the Mormon people I know are some of the most Christ-like I've ever known. I also recall distinctly in the Bible it says that "Faith without works is dead." My grandma always said that to us when we were kids. In other words, I can believe in the apple up in the tree, and I can come up with a great recipe for the pie...but unless I actually grab a ladder and pick the apple, nothing will come of my dreaming.

Frankly, I have the same feeling about certain Christian sects who say all they need to do is believe that Christ is the Messiah. So what? What good does that do you? Didn't Christ also tell us to be compassionate to others? I always thought that being a Christian meant emulating his life...not just claiming to believe in him. I know too many people who claim that and are probably the most un-christlike people I've ever met.

Besides, anyone remember the story of Abraham and Isaac? Abraham had to prove his devotion to God, not just give a bunch of platitudes.

Diagreeing with Theology is onething, but tearing someone down on the very core of their being is so incredibly terrible.

Besides, how are these nasty comments about Mormons any different than anti-Semitic comments? I recall the Mormons had a pretty nasty history themselves with the government trying to kill them. And this was AFTER the US Constitution existed. Funny how people don't talk about that much. I would never have known about it had I not been such a 19th century history buff.

Lets face it, if the Mormon church wasnt growing like it is, nobody would be saying anything about it. Some people feel threatened. I mean no one has a problem with the idea of him being a part of voodoo, or at least it wouldnt take 6 pages of discussion on how people wont listen to him anymore because they found out he like voodoo. Just live your life and who cares what the other person believes.

Just a reminder to the "Mormon Haters..." : Early followers of Christ had no Bible. If you had the courage to study the beliefs of early Christians, you might be found condemning them as well as those of the LDS faith. The doctrine of the trinity, imposed on the early church, is nowhere to be found in the Bible. The definitive turn away from the original teachings of Christ was the point when the pagan Constantine defined himself and his beliefs as "Christian."

The real strength of the "Mormon" position is this: They claim that God Himself chose to come and set things straight. The only claim non-Mormon Christians have to truth is a book, a book that has been continually re-defined and modified by the whim of those who chose to beat up the opposition with the volume. Whereas Mormons claim continual revelation from the source, non-Mormon Christians have the book.

But then, so does Islam...

As a previous post said...'Glenn Beck is listened to for entertainment purposes." C'mon people, get off all the soap boxes on Momonism and "real" Christianity. It has and always will be a faith issue regarding religion. Me? Im a born again bible thumping Southern Baptist. I guess the only real question is...Who is correct? The Bible with all Greek and Hebrew cross-references ? or The Book of Mormon with the teachings of Joseph Smith, W.W. Phelps, Joseph Merrill, Joseph Young, G.Q. Cannon, Bruce R. Mckonkie et al? please excuse if some were left out..God Bless!

I had to laugh really hard when I read Bob's comments about mormonism. He thinks he's so educated and so well informed. But I've noticed that he NEVER addresses any of the comments about the numerous questions about the BOOK he thinks is so correct. That's typical for most anti-mormon's. They want to attack but do little to defend their own weak arguments in regards to their beliefs.

Let's be honest, most religion is based on pure faith. How many of you have actually talked God yourself....probably not one of you have. If you really come down to it, most of the scientific community thinks anyone who believes in God is crazy and insane. How can you deny the evidence of biological and genetic evolution. How can you deny the evidence of geology. Personally the only religion I know who's attempted to address these concepts are mormons. Most of you do not know this because your so dang fixated on the whol trinity issue. Most of you so called "christians" have no concept of your own history. You just want to blindly scream about how mormons are deviant devils that need to be saved, instead of learning about your own deviant history.

What's more enjoyable is watching how some of you sanctamonious christians are unwilling to address those posts that point the above facts out. You just want to harp on what your anti-mormon books claim you should do when you talk about mormonism in a public setting. It would be nice if some of you would plug in and turn on your brain..But that might be too much to expect...

Isn't it funny that these proclaimed "Christians" like Jonna are the most unloving, unaccepting unchristlike people in the world? it makes me laugh. The Southern Baptists are such a joke... I mean how far from being Christ-like can you get?

Mormons are as "Christian" as Moonies and David Koresch. That Beck is a CONVERT to Mormonism is all the more disturbing. His recent apocalyptic bleatings are not only false but dangerous.

One more sensible take on this Mormon theology thing (I feel compelled to write something about this):

PROPHETS
Of course Christ and the Apostles warned of false prophets. That is good advice. I remember the repeated warnings clearly. I also remember it was never beware of ALL prophets, or even beware of prophets. It was FALSE prophets. So obviously good prophets will exist, and so will slander (anyone can be defamed – even Christ and the Apostles were defamed – that doesn’t make their defamation true). There were false prophets in the Old Testament times, in New Testament times and in modern times. There were also true prophets in Old Testament times, New Testament times and our modern times.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (King James Version – the most authentic translation by the way).

Prophets were clearly part of the early church (Acts 13:1, 15:32, 21:10, 1Cor. 12:28, Eph. 2:20, 3:5, 4:11). The scriptures clearly show that when Christ is not living on the earth, He speaks through his prophets.

THE “TRINITY”
Besides being determined by vote hundreds of years after Christ’s death, rather than by scriptural reproof, the Trinity idea falls on its face when the scriptures are understood.
Here are just a fraction of truths from the Bible:
Gen 1:26 God said, let us make man in our image…
John 5:19 …The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do…
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son.
John 17:21-22 That they may all be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
John 8:17-18 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Please, enough already that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are this morphing magical show of indefinable mystery from one being. That would make God a liar, and no God-fearing person wants to think of him in that way.

These few scriptures (among many) help explain why the Son actually prays to the Father and not himself, and when Christ was baptized that Father actually did speak out loud from above and Christ wasn’t showing his power as some great ventriloquist.

Now to Glenn Beck. He knows a life with and without his faith. He chooses a life with his faith. He had to take upon himself the name of Christ to be baptized (full immersion by someone with authority). Each week at church he renews the covenants he made to always remember Christ and keep his commandments. When he says he is a Christian, he means it, and he knows he is not perfect and must repent everyday for the new sins he commits, and he knows Christ’s mercy and grace is sufficient for him. That is essentially the foundation of the Mormon faith, all salvation is through Christ and we must remember him and show our love for him by keeping His commandments.

FAITH AND WORKS
By the way, the scriptures are clear that if you love Christ you will obey his commandments. Paul wrote to his son Titus saying “They profess they know God; but in works they deny him…” (Titus 1:16). Works are an important component to faith, not something separate. It’s faith and works not faith vs. works. This one is too easy to spend time on.

I will take any Christian Mormon theologian (yes they are Christian in every sense of the word) up against any so-called Christian theologian on any religious topic, including the Trinity, modern revelation, faith and works, etc. The truth is, most bible thumping Christians do not know their scriptures, though they profess to. I came up with these verifications on my own, not very difficult to do. I am a Bible thumping Mormon, and I am most certainly a Christian, a true believer in Christ and the scriptures. I only wished my anti-Mormon friends knew their scriptures and would quit attacking what they no nothing of.

As Christ said, “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”

Don’t take offense that I say you do not know the scriptures. Instead get to know them more so you do not err.

Glenn seems nice enough to listen to. I agree with most of what he has to say and he makes me laugh, another reason why he is worth listening to.
I am a born again type, but I am human too and for the Christian person who "doesn't want to expose your kids" to a Mormon. I got news for you. Your kids will grow up exposed to all kinds of people in the world. Your job as a parent is to tell your kids if you disagree with someone or something out there. It's called teaching or imparting your values to your children. So I will continue to listen. Glenn did seems a bit confused on TV last night, however. Perhaps he was simply nervous. Anyway, I pray for Glenn's salvation and for any other Mormon or religious person who thinks they found the truth.

Jesus said:
"I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."
John 3:5

"You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'"
John 3:7

People like Jesus Freak, Jonna, Benny, Eric, Shellie, and Jim, seem to need to proclaim their "christianity" so loudly; probably because otherwise, no one would know.

Ok, mormons - We love you all as fellow humans. We think of you as nothing less than such and are not engaging in personal attacks. I truly believe your intelligence is completely in tact! In fact, I am in medical school and 8 of my classmates are mormons. Clearly, you are an intelligent group. Now, about your institution - this is where we have some serious (serious) differences. You believe this, too. You believe we are following a theology that was "made up" by the Roman Catholics. And, when WE hold your god and gospel up to ours for comparison, they differ. SO, as Christians, we MUST make these distinctions as clear as possible, as to not defame God and as to not misrepresent ourselves to others. Christians reject mormon beliefs, and therefore refuse to be lumped into the same category as mormons just because we both believe in moral behavior. This is the same thing that you do when you reject the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as invalid. So, the "attacks" are not personal at all. We just reject the institution with which you affiliate yourselves.

Again, this is the crux of the matter here. The mormons do not believe in the biblical Jesus of Nazareth, nor the biblical God, nor the biblical Gospel. This is the distinguishment we must make. You believe in a god (many actually), a jesus (one that differs from the biblical Jesus), and a gospel (which does not fully rely on grace). Instead of being called Christians (referring to the biblical Christ), a better name for mormons may be Smithians (following the teachings of Joseph Smith). It is not about WORDS here. It is about definitions. As discussed by many others on this thread your definitions differ greatly from biblical definitions. It's like serving a bowl of grits and calling it steak.

Lonny,

It is at least refreshing to hear a mormon talk about the very important differences between our beliefs. I wish that mormons would talk about these KEY differences more often. Too many times my mormon friends have tried to convince me that our beliefs are very similar and, as you have agreed, they are not. Now, of course, you think you are believing in something true, and your response attests to that. It's not necessarily my goal here to talk you out of being a mormon. That would, in fact, be wonderful, but you're kinda hardened at this point. My goal is to make sure that the distinction is clear between mormons (or "book of mormon christians") and Christians (be us catholics, protestants, or no denomination at all). So, thank you for coming from the other side and pointing these differences out.

I appreciate the post. About the caps/no caps – Again, I am trying to distinguish between the two (very different) systems of beliefs. No personal attacks are valid in this argument.

It is important to make a distinction between groups that claim to be Christian and those that make no such profession. For example, it would not be meaningful to speak of Islam as a cult of Christianity since it makes no claim to be Christian. Indeed, Muslims are generally anti-Christian. Islam is a world religion that opposes Christianity, but it is not a cult. Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, however, do qualify as cults of Christianity because they claim to be Christian -- indeed, to be the only true Christian group on earth.

The reason that I haven't gone into more details as to our differences is due to the fact that (1) you are probably already aware of our differences because this isn't the first Mormon/Christian debate you've had and (2) many others on this thread have pointed out such differences (both Mormons and others). But alas, I will strengthen my argument that we are VERY DIFFERENT groups by giving some more observations.

The following are the reasons why "Christianity" and "Mormonism" should be distinguished between (if you disagree with the exact names used, consider them simply as representative of the systems of belief):

Minor Differences:

Preexistence
The Mormon Church teaches that the soul existed with God before creation.
"Before you were born, your spirit lived with God. This premortal life is sometimes referred to as the preexistence. In this setting, you had the opportunity to grow, mature, and learn many eternal truths from our Heavenly Father. Yet you yearned to be more like Him."(ww.mormon.org)

Scripture teaches differently.
Before Creation there was only God (Gen 1:1, John 1:1)

The Familial system.
The Mormon Church teaches that the familial system will be present in heaven.
"The Lord revealed to Joseph Smith that the “same sociality which exists among us here will exist among us there [in eternity], only it will be coupled with eternal glory” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:2).
"Family members who accept the Atonement of Jesus Christ and follow His example can be together forever through sacred ordinances performed in God’s holy temples." (www.mormon.org)

Scripture teaches differently.
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."(Mark 12:25)

Major Differences

The Virgin Birth
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115)
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547)

Scripture teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin.
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23)

The nature of God

The Mormon Church teaches that God has a physical body.
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22. Compare with Alma 18:26-27; 22:9-10)
"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

Scripture teaches differently.
God is a spirit without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39)

The Nature of Man
The Mormon Church teaches men are by nature good.
"It is critically important that you understand that you already know right from wrong, that you're innately, inherently, and intuitively good." (Elder Boyd K. Packer of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, quoted in Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood, Part B, p. 186)

Scripture teaches the opposite.
Man is by nature a sinner (Ps 51:5; Eph 2:3; all of Romans)

The identity of God and Man.

Here Joseph Smith declares that God was once man. He says that God dwelt on earth before He was God.
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!...........It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God........yea, that God himself, the father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.... (from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and History of the Church, 6:302-17)

Furthermore, there are multiple Gods and men can become Gods.
"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven...have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state....they were exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." (Apostle Orson Pratt in The Seer, page 23)

Scripture teaches the exact opposite.

There is one God (Deut 6; Isaiah 43:11; 44:6,8; 45:5; Mark 12:29).
God has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 57:15)

Now we could get into a critique of the internal, external, and bibliographic tests of Maroni's gold plates, but that's not the purpose here. All we are asking is that we stop being misrepresented.

I'm honestly wondering why we do not have Mormons also asking for a separation, as both sides are being grossly misrepresented by being lumped together.

While there are some similarities between the two systems of belief, there are extremely significant core differences! Anyway I hope this clears up some of the questions you had about why we should make our differences very clear. I’m not trying to convert anyone on this thread as most are in defense-mode anyway.

The point of this argument is not even about who's right and who's wrong (because you clearly think that what you believe is right). My goal here is to proclaim that what your church believes DIFFERS GREATLY from what our church, known commonly as "the Christian church" (inc. Catholics, Protestants, Non-denominational institutions) believes. What more needs to be said about this?

Take care.

It appears that ones belief about the inerrancy and inspiration of the Bible profoundly influences how one interprets biblical passages.

It appears that the Mormons are now trying to argue that the Bible is fallible (like their so-called inspired text). If the Mormons truly do believe this, then the Bible loses ALL credibility and they should throw the whole book out, which is essentially what they have done anyway. After all, you cannot serve two masters at once, thus you cannot believe that you are going to be a god if you believe the Biblical God when he says that He is the only one. Period. Satan is a big fat liar and one of his best tools is the Mormon church. Anything to take away God's glory.

Here's some verses that you can toss out as well:

"Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).

"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6).

"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:8).

"I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).

"There is none beside me. I am the LORD and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:6).

"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22).

As I went out with the LDS missionaries the other day and visited a family, we got out of the van and about 5 guys ran over to us, following us to the door while the whole way they spat such foulness out of their mouths, but it wasn't directed at "mormons", it was directed at the Savior. The things they said were so foul that I would never consider writing them. How they knew we were coming and how they came out of seemingly no where was a shock to me, but the whole time they spewed offenses at their redeemer, I thought of the scripture, "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."
After I thought of this scripture, I was reassured of the righteousness of the LDS missionaries mission and that we were doing right in the eyes of the Lord.
When I read much of the bigotry on this web-site, it furthers my testimony of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. When I read people reviling against Christ's restored church, I rejoice because of its truthfulness!

Yes, you are exactly right ONE. We shouln't ignore the scriptures. If we perceive someone is "evil" and our enemies, we should follow the Savior's admonition and "love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you" and we shouldn't condone persecution, because we are all the Children of God!

Wow. After reading three years worth of threads the conclusion I have reached is that "Mormons" and "Christians" both believe in Jesus. "Christians" claim to know the correct interpretation of the Bible, Mormons claim to know the correct interpretation of the Bible. So, who is correct. A "Christian" can not prove his or her interpretation is any more correct than a Mormon's interpretation. I want to hear from any party who was present at the time when the biblical teachings were established. Who among you will claim that you know the design of God in all things? As for the infallablitly of the Bible, anyone who believes that it is in its origional, unadulterated, and chronological format has no place in an intellectual conversation and must be dismissed as a zealot or ignorant. You all talk of knowing one denomination's veracity over another. I don't know much about mormons, but they teach that the only way to God is by following the teachings of Jesus. They use multiple sources they claim help them understand the teachings of Jesus better. I don't have a problem with that. I believe most Christians are the same and practice that which brings the Spirit closer to their lives. Let's grow up a little bit and quit with the little bumbersticker cliches, "Three in one" and "Mormons are not Christians". Mormons did not exist at the time of Christ, Protestants did not exist at the time of Christ, Baptists did not exist at the time of Christ. Even the Bible says that people will be ever learning, but never arriving at a knowledge of the truth. At least the Mormons proport continuing revelation that God defines his will. Who is right and who is wrong? I believe those whose lives most clearly reflect the life of Jesus would be right. Who selflessly serves? Who gives? Who loves their neighbor? I cannot imagine the persons who have pasted such ugly and derrogatory commentary would be in God's good graces. It is up to every individual to do the things that bring them to God. Of course, none of this will make any difference to most of the people reading and participating. So many seem to think that their salvation depends, not upon faith or works or whatever, but by proving to the world that Mormons are not Christians. Perhaps the Mormon flavor of Christianity is too difficult for its critics to live, so they try to destroy it. It seems to me that that is what the Jews did to Jesus. Maybe Mormons need to do a better job of reaching out to Christians. I don't know the answers. If people act Christlike whether Christian or Mormon, how is that detrimental to the cause of Christ? If this is a mere numbers game of who has been around longer or who has more followers, Catholics, Mormons, crazy Christians and sane Christians are all wrong. Why don't you agree to disagree and enjoy you commonalities. God is gonna sort it all out in the end anyway.

To Christians, GB, it is a life or death situation. If you have opposing beliefs (LDS, Islam, Hindus..etc) you are free to do so, and I will always stand by mankind's right to have such a freedom. The God of the Bible (and remember the Bible is only valid if it is the infallible written word of God) is very explicit about His nature and plan of salvation for mankind. If individuals (using their freedom) decide not to believe His text or only believe part it, they clearly are following something other than the Church known as "Biblical Christianity". They are choosing another route and again, Biblical Christianity rejects other routes, other gods, other gospels. Let's not dilute this fact by saying that good people who at least believe the parts of the Bible that work into their own belief system are a part of the Biblical Christian family. By Biblical definition, they are not. No good works, though they come as fruits of Christianity, will suffice (Eph 2:8-9), no other way of salvation exists (Acts 4:12), and there is only one God (Ah, this is everywhere in the Bible, again if you choose to believe in the validity of it). God is a jealous God (Deut 4:24, Ex 20:5, Ex 34:14;

For those interested in learning more, there are some fascinating websites available to help you critically evaluate the bible. Search around. Don't stick with what any religion or one website has to say because all men are fallible. I learned that the hard way, growing up in a false Christian church (that taught doctrine contrary to Biblical doctrine), to not take anyone's word as truth. The Bible, on the other hand, is God-breathed and a very good place to start. Evaluate it all you'd like, it will withstand criticism. It withstood mine, but better than that it has held up to the criticism of millions upon millions more. If there is one omnipotent God, would He not have the power to preserve his only text, inspired by Him, to tell His creation about who He is and what His purpose is for us?

for any one who wants to find out for themselves go to www.mormon.org

WOW! PART 2.

CULT
First of all the, Protestant meaning of cult has become much different than the real meaning of a cult (look it up). Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses and other “non-Christian” Christians are legitimate religions, legitimate denominations. Cults hinder socialization and education to protect and control the required mindset of the cult. Mormons are one of the most educated groups on the planet. Our leaders encourage college degrees, military service, and reaching out to non-members through socializing, politics and good will. Some of the most visible people and influential people in the world are Mormons. We are not cloistered or dumbed-down in any way. We are free to choose and fight to let others worship how they may (even if we believe they are misguided).

Being different than you does not make me a member of a cult.

PRE-EXISTENCE
The scriptures teach of our existence with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ before the world was created. We are spirit children of our Heavenly Father (Acts 17:29, Romans 8:16, Hebrews 12:9) and we lived with him before we were born.

You mentioned Genesis 1:1. It does not say or even imply that there was only God before the creation. You also mentioned John 1:1. This scripture hurts your argument and helps prove there was more than one being before the world was created. The Word is Christ in this passage. Christ was God and was with God (interesting that both are God, we’ll get to that later).

God tells Jeremiah of his pre-mortal life in Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

John 9:2 “And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?” How could the man sin if he had not existed before he was born? Why would Christ’s disciples ask him this question if the pre-existence was not accepted doctrine?

There are many more scriptures, but these are plain enough.

FAMILIES IN HEAVEN
The Mormon Church teaches that the familial system will be present only in the highest degree of heaven. This is accomplished through the binding power given to Christ’s apostles (Matthew 16:19)

You quoted Mark 12:25 correctly, except you read it wrong. These eternal marriages must be preformed on earth BEFORE the resurrection or “when the dead rise.” If couples are not sealed together on earth…"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."(Mark 12:25)

THE VIRGIN BIRTH
NEVER a doctrine of our church to say Mary was not a virgin at Jesus’ birth. Even the quotes you use do not say otherwise. If God created the worlds why could he not place his seed in Mary without having sex. Heck, man can even do it.

THE NATURE OF GOD
God does have a physical body.
Your own scriptural reference proves it in Luke 24:37: But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. Then Christ said in verses 38-39: And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Christ was resurrected. Resurrection means to get your body back and never die again. Why do so many Protestants deny the resurrection? Christ taught about and lived it. He promised all of us the same blessing.
THE NATURE OF MAN
The Mormon Church does not teach men are by nature good. They teach the opposite. Elder Packer was speaking to a group of priesthood holders who have already taken the name of Christ, had been baptized and born again, made anew, etc. and then took upon them selves the priesthood. At that point in a person’s life they better have changed to be intuitively good. Of course, man can fall and often does.

The church does teach that babies come into the world neither bad nor good, rather innocent. Therefore there is no need to baptize them until they are old enough to be accountable and able to truly comprehend the sin.

THE IDENTITY OF GOD AND MAN
Your anti-Mormon source quotes from the book Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and stops right before he will show from the Bible this true doctrine. Nice.

Be enlightened with Psalms 82:6, Matt 5:48, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 2nd Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Hebrews 12:9, 1st John 3:2, and Revelations 3:21.

God loves us. We are His children. He wants us to be like him. He wants us to be “joint heirs with Christ”, “sit in my throne” and share in all that the Father has. What a wonderful Heavenly Father.

Futuredoc says, “Furthermore, there are multiple Gods and men can become Gods.”

When God said in Gen 1:26 : God said, let US make man in our image… who was the “us” he was referring to??? And who was the “us” he referred to in Gen 3:22 ?

Don’t be afraid when scriptures seem to say the opposite things. Instead, try to find out how both of the scriptures are true. Obviously God was talking to other beings you believe were not there before. So make sense out of it. Don’t just say “this other scripture says this so you are wrong.” My beliefs can easily include the scriptures you point out. They do not prove my beliefs are wrong. After all, they are from the Bible!

THE TRINITY
When the scriptures say there is only one God it refers to the relationship of Heavenly Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Christ made this very clear in John 17:20-23. The only other references are concerning the people of Israel and their terrible practice of returning to the worship of idols and false gods. Re-read my post above with the heading “The Trinity” to see all the references to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ as two separate beings. You cannot refute these, so these Bible truths that they are one and they are not the same being must somehow work together. You will find the truth in Christ’s church, even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

I assume this will be my last post here. I have come across many Mormon bashing websites (I know this was not the intent of this website, but it ended up that way) and I know all I will get in return is more lame and weak arguments copied from anti-Mormon literature that do nothing more than perpetuate lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations. Once I refute those, then more pages will be copied in a never ending cycle of lies and refuting those lies. Nothing could be more boring. You have now bored me futuredoc and you other lazy anti-Mormons.

If you want to know the truth about the Mormons go to Mormons that actually read their scriptures, not to argue with them, but to learn why they believe the way they do. Any other way is disingenuous.

I feel like I have cast pearls before swine and given meat before you accepted the milk.

Remember, the scriptures do not lie. God does not lie. “Ye do err not knowing the scriptures.” Get to know them better before you criticize something you know very little of.

A Christian is somebody who believes that Christ is the Messiah.

Yes, and the Mormons do NOT believe this.

Note some of what they believe about Jesus:

Jesus
The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)

Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.)

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.)

"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115).

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547).

"Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).

"Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh ..." (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, pg. 150).

These things are NOT biblical and do NOT represent Christianity.

Sincerely,
Linda K.

There are plenty of areas (web-sites) to trash mormons, there are plenty of areas where LDS beliefs are defended. This area is to talk about Glenn Beck and his book. In reading all the previous posts (OK I skimmed some of the more lengthy ones) it seems those idividuals who don't fall into the 2 camps (anti-mormon Christians vs. Mormon Christians) have already tuned this discussion out. I find Glenn to be funny and insightful. I enjoy entertainment that can make you think.

The problem with Mormons is that they take Paul literally when he says that mankind is the "offspring of God," and John the Revelator when he says that man has the potential to be "joint heirs" with Christ--and thus with God. They actually believe that Christ is God's Son. Likewise, they believe that God authorized Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to practice polygamy and that God could therefore authorize Joe Smith to do the same.

On a less scriptural and more fundamental level, the Mormons also stubbornly refuse to believe in the true Christian God. We Christians know that Heavenly Father does not want his creations (even if He does refer to them as "children") to continue to progress until they become eternal fathers themselves, thereby robbing him of his exalted station.

Why can't they understand that God is a jealous father who sees mankind not really as his "children" but as eternal sheep with limited potential and an inferior status to himself?

I guess Mormons just have too much faith in mankind's potential and in certain parts of the scriptures.

Why don't they just admit that Jesus is their savior and be saved instead of going to all this work to become like God?

For all you who believe you are Christian, and have a problem beleiving that mormons are not christians here is something to think about, first of all I am not disclosing my religion but I will say that I am a christian, but have you ever wondered about when Jesus was in the Garden of Getsemanie (my spelling is really bad, and I am to lazy to use spell check) why the Hell would he be praying to himself, you either have to be on coke, or drinking to start praying to your self. another example of why maybe the mormons believe taht the god head are three distince beings are in the bible for all you christian is when Jesus got baptised why the Hell would the voice from heven be jesus' own voice, what are you guys thinking thinking. from that bit of evidence I think we can say that God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are probably two separte beings, so I think that Maybe the Mormons have something right and the rest of you who clame to be Christians just plain stupid, I will tell you that my beliefs are my own and no one elses. and that Beck Rocks.

Just found this site.
I too am LDS and live in a little town of 8,000 that has 8 Baptist Churches within 5 miles. A young man went to one Baptist Church but decided to attend another that allowed dancing and boys and girls swimming in the same pool. He then attend another and his parents arranged a meeting with his minister, who said negative things about the other two churches and their leaders.
The young man decided to look at the LDS Church and guess what - all three ministers came to visit him. He asked them why they each said negative things about the others....they were busted.
The young man joined the LDS church and has never been happier. Some wonder why the young people are not staying with the, "mainline churches"...this is one little example why the LDS church is growing so fast.
We believe in and teach from the King James Version of the Bible but realize that there are errors after all the various translations....which explains all the religions in the world and many factions within the same religion as stated above.
We have our religious differences but pray that someday we are not forced to go to church on Friday and the females in our country are not permitted to show their face in public. Those of us who believe in the Savior need to unite and put aside our religious differences and fight those who would force us to believe in a religion that teaches death to non-believers.
I have many non-Mormon friends and would never get into a heated arguement over religion or politics to harm our relationship. We talk about Glenn Beck all the time and deal with his desire to keep a balance in politics from a conversative perspective regardless of his religion.

Every person is to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling...also Acts Chapter 4, there is no other name under heaven where a person can be saved, except by the name of Jesus Christ...read John, Chapter One. That chapter reveals the attributes of our Creator, Christ Jesus...He also said He came unto His own and they knew Him not...Believe on the name of Jesus, and thou shalt be saved...confess it with thy mouth and believe it in thine heart and thou shall be saved...He is the Alpha and Omega, the King of Kings, the beginning and end...He's all knowing, all powerful, all seeing. He knows all about our hearts desires and thoughts, and every number of hairs on our heads...Ephesians, Chapter 2...for we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, lest any person should boast, it is a gift from God. That gift was "Grace"...Jesus Christ was all of "GRACE"...His mercy, love, and forgiveness...He gives grace to the humble, but resist the proud...so humble your hearts and ask Jesus to open your mind and heart, and allow His grace to flow through your spirit...In Jesus Name Amen...

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Glenn the sky is falling Beck is just crazy. He is going to get someone hurt with his crazy talk. Some folks who listen to him can't distingush between his inane words and reality. They are going to hurt someone because they believe this man. I am afraid for our president and I am not kidding. Glenn has freedome of speech but man he is really pushing it hard. I pray no one gets hurt but I am very very afraid that some looney tunes will kill the president or will kill gays, blacks or hispanics because in Glenn the sky is falling world they are a threat. Please God that I am wrong but I have a really bad feeling about this man and what his words might do.

Oh Yes... religion is the opium of the massess. You can take opium by intravenously, nasally, orally, or rectally...it still produces a very good HIGH. Some routes are very intense but short in duration and some are mild but last longer but stiil it still a good HIGH. Ask a true heroin addict who thicks he needs that high in order live or die. Any one those routes will do...in the end it still produces same results.

I personally dont like heroin but loves a good addiction to apple pie. We all have an addiction...that includes religion too...mine is apple pie. Unfortunately there is no Apple Anonymous chapter in my area, so I continue to crave and eat apple pies. To me it does not matter how it is made(commercialized vs homemade or name brand vs. generic brand or recipes past from 10th the generations or expermental recipe). As long as the main ingredient is apple I'm okay with it. Some folks, like it without sugar and some like it lots of sugar. Some ingredient use brown sugar and other use white sugar. Some freaky folks use "organic sugar" and others use "Splenda". To me, it is still an APPLE PIE!!!!! I will it in a heart beat with no regards to how it is made because it is still an apple pie.

I can see how it can be confusing to so many people. I'm pretty sure God has very low expections of us (human beings). He knows that no matter how simple his message is...He knows that human being will still "#$%% it up". Maybe, he purposely sent different religion so that each one of us or culture could relate. Do you ever wonder why He made so many races or why God said that He made man on His own image? Is God white, black, asian or Puerto Rican? In the end, the basic message of each religion is the same...love yourself and love your fellow man. To love yourself is to accept your faults as well as your strenght. Once you understand that concept it is easy to love your fellow man.

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P.S. Jesus...please pass the blunt.